No News at Osho News
It has not escaped the notice of Sannyasnews Editors that the heart attack suffered by “Rajneesh” has gone unreported at “no news at Osho news”! Whatever people think of “Rajneesh” he lived around Osho for many years, and certainly was doing his thing when many SN readers were in Poona and when Osho was alive. Surely the news around him has more importance than the middle brow travelogues that pass for copy at Osho News. Also at Osho News there is a total lack of any participatory approach and this has never been explained. (There is absolutely no room for comments on their articles, unless going through some kind of three line whip.)
We further note that from this week, the “great” forces of Osho World and Osho News have conjoined and are now bannering under the same flag…. so where is the vaulted independence of “Osho World” gone now. Plenty of guff about their cooperation, but of course nothing about who will be the “actual real” Editor of the thing. Such a duopoly has all the hallmarks of the narrowing of news options and opinions that have happened before within the world around Osho, and a healthy scepticism should greet it. We republish below part of a blog from Dhyan Raj who we knew in past times, and who at least thanks SN for its willingness to publish.
Dhanraj says by way of comment:
It is a wonder to me that the compassion of Buddhas is such that they try to bring transformation to humanity even though they are misunderstood and betrayed even by the people who are attracted to them.
I asked Rajneesh once – why are you bothering with all this ? – you can live your life perfectly well without all the hassle and trouble from an idiotic humanity – why try to help people and draw their stones on you? they dont understand anything and would rather you were dead than be helped out of their miserable game.
“That is a Buddhas job, Dhyanraj – to be crucified !”
Anyway I thank Sannyas News for having the courage to print Rajneesh’s heart attack story – my friends at Osho News – Punya and Maneesha and all, felt it was fitting to ignore the story and not print it in their “no osho news” – as Rajneesh is universally condemned by all branches of organised sannyasins – even though they may be enemies to each other like OIF and Osho World – they agree on this – that Rajneesh should be prevented from doing what he sees as his Master’s work.
Oshopirates 
I think editors of sannyasnews are expecting too much from oshonews.com
First of all, compared to osho.com this site is thousand times more with the pulse of the time. May be this is the only sannyas site, where under the column Voyages, due coverage is given to the sannyasins who have died or left the body or even murdered!
Do the editors of sannyasnews think that oshonews should also create a column, “Seekers with the Doctors.”
I think after 50, even yoga masters need plumbing and renovation, denting and painting.
Shantam,
you dont answer two questions, why Osho News does not allow comments on its articles, and why it has now created this duopoly with Osho World, but very much not a partnership, but under their control.
Like many websites my own view is that it tries to cover too much because it does not have a clearly thought out Editorial line about quite what they are wanting to do. As a result they include a lot of copy that seems of mediocre quality and become like an airline magazine. I feel a sense of covert elitism around their whole enterprise.
Happy to hear your answers to these questions Shantam.
I check oshonews only for the Voyages. It touches my heart to see those unsung heroes dying at the average rate of two per month, who took the courage to be with Osho..
These unsung heroes made Osho, The Master. Otherwise he was an Acharya Rajneesh, religious Orator. Osho has so often called these people, MY PEOPLE.
So for this reason, I am thankful to the team of Oshonews.
reading about rest, sorry, I will prefer sannyasnews!
These Delhi based Oshoworld people are kind of smug in my opinion.
Me, me and me and my Osho, rest of the world is Scheisse.
In that sense, Pune and Delhi people are brothers separated in train crash!
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You are too the mark to realise, oshonews does not allow comments. It simply shows they are interested to preserve a frozen past rather than take the evolution further.
Somehow, what I am writing again and again, Osho´s sannyas has gone into the foot notes of history. Just look at the world around, In the age of non stop television, hot seat of Osho in Pune is promoting Osho Radio!
Their Osho is no more young and alive and restless but an old grand pa, whispering and sometime shouting, ” Is there someone to listen? Where all have gone?”
Dear P,
As I type here from my Eagle’s nest, way above the cloud line I think ponderously and waxingly as the mighty eagles spread their… (get on with it , Ed.,)
ah yes…
the biggest disaster to have hit sannyas was it’s formatted emotive institutionalization. What’s that I hear you reply, testily ?….That’s too dense a text already and we are only three sentences in…( Well either I carry on in my well- honed forms or I shall start typing in a mid transatlantic slightly german-accented form, with a lesser lexical range which I guarantee does not fall so pleasurably upon the ears, as can be testified in group rooms, everywhere.)
Well…
The most goddam awful piece of crap then, that sannyas (via Osho ) was responsible for was it’s secretive cloning programme , that was funded by millions of squillions of lakhs. Oh yes.
Many of us including even those people known to sannyas newsers, (shock horror,) have been guilty of replicating physical and even emotive characteristics of the smarmy and smarmulous, whilst mouthing the words ‘Buddha’ , who was likely also a clone, or ‘Osho’ or some such similar iconostasis.
This is institutionally all part of a secret covert plan by those who cannot tell stork margarine from real butter.
Now being vegan-friendly I have an eye for these things, and I can verify that in my experience of spiritual energy, then the many times when visiting these parlours of self servicing ,(similar to motorway cafes), these rest rooms for the religious , I have noticed that they glaringly have one thing in common with the Ton-Up motorway cafes littered along western civilization’s fringes.
They all offer intermediaries.
Similar looking , with some inflated added value, well sealed for a long shelf life, but utterly tasteless.
Now when physically famished and a bit bored from the endless nose to tail, foot down, charabanging that passes for bank holiday ‘seeking’ well into the uncharted countryside, one is often tempted to enter these Happy Advaita stereotypical milk parlours, bursting with the joys of previously unseen insights.
Thing is, they tend to replicate the customer , not only the produce
.Next time you are in one of them, have a look round. It often comes as a shock, that just as in today’s shopping cathedrals, (should one bear the misfortune of having to use them ) then the conversational skills of the hallowed customer are uncannily similar, perhaps even atrophying through lack of use and limited to ‘Oh look there’s 15p off sprouts this week…. Or gosh, yes , I see that now,vowwwww jaaa .
To whit I say this prayer.
Lord protect me from thy followers….
Which is a roundabout way of saying, now that Osho in Flight News has merged with OshoWaltDisneyWorld, that, are you at all surprised if they are foolfilling their cloned duty to reproduce and spawn. Why be alarmist about this.?
Or to put that very spiritual question to you….Who is In and who shall I say called ? or Who cares ?
Now then on a more topical note I know that we have our differences here on the Rajneesh Radio Times, but if you think you can paste three blogs in a row, copied from the Lithuanianske Forestvalke NeuroPattologie Instötuttà für Nuttarse then I might seriousyl think of complaining to the management
Their address is
Jerry SpringParmDharm Productions
The Trailer Trash Blogging Centre,( next door to the Ridiculously Expensive Meditation Centre)
The Rajneesh Twin Towers.
Pune.
And with that I bid thee , adieu…….(until lateerzz ,chaps )
Osho News? Never heard of it.
Just returned from visiting a vegan friend who lives in the woods on top of a hill…no, it’s not Johnny B Goode. Lovely chap who meditates for hours every day. I mentioned Mr Rajneesh to him, thinking that it might be of interest to him being an old sannyasin and all that. He’d never heard of him. Perhaps that is why Osho News failed to cover the story…no readership interest. We continued to chat with plenty of silences spent looking out over the splendid countryside. A lot of our silences were partly due to the fact that neither of us had any big news to report. Perhaps in the case of a meditative life no news is good news, which might be a way for Mr Rajneesh to get over the trauma of being ignored by Osho News. I’ve a feeling being ignored is something he might not be able to appreciate easily.
The remainder of the day was spent sitting by the sea. A cormorent popped up out of the water in front of me and that was about it. I took the sea bird’s sudden appearance as a summons to dive into the water. I did just that. It was a case of instant no-mind. I thought my forehead was going to crack from the cold.
lokesh – i see your mind came back and you were able to write again in the hope of convincing others that rajneesh is beneath you
your friend hadnt heard of rajneesh – clear proof that he does not exist in the sannyas movement today and is not news – ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Em…er…weren’t you the guy who said he feels foolish about writing on SN. Got the bug? Or is it just a case of doing Osho’s work?
erm – no i didnt say that lokesh – another case of chronic misinformation from you –
yes i am doing osho’s work – something wrong in that ?
Depends what your definition of Osho’s work is. In your case I’d say being a misguided fool about sums it up. You are about the worst ambassador anyone could dream up. Surely amongst Mr Rajneesh’s followers there has to be someone better than you to act as selfappointed spokesman. Or are things really that bad in his camp?
yes lokesh – make up your own definition of osho’s work – making up things is your forte –
by the way i am a disciple of osho since 32 years – and you have been an ex disciple of osho for 32 years – what does osho’s work now have to do with you ?
this sannyas news is a forum for osho’s sannyasins – who mostly dont comment here due to an ex sannyasin like you continually pouring out poison for osho and his people who come and comment here
obscurantist smokescreens like this dont help anyone either do they? – it seems to be designed only to convince others that the author is a clever chappie – yes we know clevermind me “who cares”
there are serious issues to adress in the sannyas movement today – it is a living river which flows down the ages –
osho’s movement is in danger of becoming dry and dead – just a business – particularly as the businessmen and priests are doing all they can to dam the flow of the river in their active interference with those who bring the living truth of osho fresh and clean
SSD says, ‘there are serious issues to adress in the sannyas movement today’
No problem, address them to SN and we’ll sort them out quicker than you can say ‘Boom Shanker!’
That email warned me of further spam clones with similar names. I won’t be tempted by this rusy spoof. DRS is no match for SDR anyway. SDR was shrewd , witty and testicular whereas this DRS clone is withered and not capable of D let alone NA or even FA.
I might have to complain to the senior management here then…
Here goes..
Dear Dolly the Sheep,
It has come to my attention that blah blah blah , behh behh behh, blahh blah.
If you think I will be led around by someone who is DRS not RSD or DSR, then I’m afraid the wool over the eyes isn’t long enough. Bring back the original of the clone not the clone of the original.
Your sincerely,
Mr RajSheep.
( Shepherd and Master Flocker)
I just got another email with a photo of a rather large doorman in a Tshirt , the name of the company being SDR Bouncers and Nightclub management…
It simply read..
You fink u r beeang cleva den…
Signed your friend Danny Rajeone , and all da family.
martyn – yes it suits you to trivalise the issue being raised by parmartha – the promotion of clevermindme is the only thing you show is of importance to you – this is a disgrace to the sannyas movement of osho
Martyn, I wouldn’t worry too much about the ‘this is a disgrace to the sannyas movement of osho’ because on the level of disgraces perpetrated by the Osho movement you will not even rank in the top 100. Sorry to disappoint.
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Lokesh….donner und blitzen.. if only Parmartha had let in all my censored, censored posts ,then I might have been up there in the top 100….
I always knew big P was up to know good
as for the top 100….
next week on Top of the Clots we bring you more ways of turning disgrace into divine Grace with the help of Grace Kelly singing favourite tunes with good ol Frankie Sannyatramantra
from his famous album…
Songs of da Mob,
including
I’ve got him under your skin,’
You did it my Guru’s Way
All of him, why not take all of him ?
Something Clever
and many many more….
What about SRV?
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That would be a vehicle for all weather and terrain , which last appeared on Top Guru.. ( that is partly a recycled former joke of mine and may not be quoted , copied or alluded to without express permission or payment of a fine, in case anyone else is reading this )..
I have travelled with Swami Rajneesh for over 6 years now.
He has given over 90 meditation camps all over the world and has worked for free without charging anything from his side for the camps and events.
As a new sannyasin i was shocked to see the amount of misinformation and propaganda that was being spread about him wherever we travelled to.
It looks like sannyasins are really very jealous or bitter about themselves.
In India Swami Rajneesh was always welcomed in all the known ashrams. Swami Anand VijayJi of Amritdham Jabalpur which is the oldest Osho Ashram always welcomes him with so much love and has been inviting Rajneesh to come and even live there with them.
Swami Anand Teerth of Kutchwara gave us his whole ashram for Osho Birthday celebration and is always asking us to come again.
Swami Brahma Vedant Ji of Madhavpur gave Swami Rajneesh the most warm and beautiful welcome and gave his Ashram for the 19 January celebrations. It was so touching to see them meet and how gentle and graceful they behaved.
Swami Anand Swabhav Ji has always welcomed us to Mehasana Ashram where everyone received us with so much joy and celebration there.
Swami Gurudev Ji has so much love and connection with us and invites us again and again to visit them.
Swami Anand Arun ji is in contact with Swami Rajneesh and i see they are very close together in their love for one another. We have received so many invitations to travel to Tapovan and we really want to go there but Rajneesh schedules of travels were all made in advance and are waiting for this beautiful meeting to happen in Tapovan. The loving way Swami Arun and Rajneesh met in Ukraine and had dinner touched all our hearts and we can see that they both are simple and open hearted sannyasins.
Where ever we went to any city or meditation camp in India everyone was open and welcoming.
But we saw another side to this whole story and learnt the ugly side of sannyas politics and power games and threats and blackmail everywhere.
It looks like Ma Neelam and Swami Tathagat are really against Swami Rajneesh. As he wrote about them in his book Tears of the Mystic Rose.
They are very actively sending ugly messages to all India meditation centers to not allow Rajneesh to visit any Indian center with a threat that Osho World will reject their ashram and not allow Osho World people to go to those Indian centers. This propaganda was exposed to us in many ashrams and 6 meditation camps in India were cancelled last minute because they were warned by Neelam and Tathagat Nisarga. They seem to be controlling Osho World and all opinion of Indian sannyasin to become against Swami Rajneesh.
Even advertisements were cancelled by Osho World which was sent by Indian centers.
It is clear that Osho World is against Swami Rajneesh due to Neelam and Tathagat playing politics from Dharamsala.
Swami Keerti who is a close friend of Swami Rajneesh and i know stayed with him in Manali and Poona and they meet many times has also been warned by Neelam to not speak in favor of Rajneesh but to officially boycott him and speak against him in public.
This is the propaganda against Rajneesh in India.
We also travelled to 70 cities all over the world. Again we were always received with so much open heart everywhere we went by everyone. But suddenly we always found that these places were warned and threatened by OIF poona not to allow us to meet any sannyasins in their city. And they sent private messages and Sms by mobile phones to all sannyasins to boycott Sami Rajneesh events. If they did not listen then those who met Rajneesh would be banned by Poona Resort. Also any Osho center abroad that invited Swami Rajneesh would be blacklisted and all Osho Therapists who went to those same centers would be also banned by Poona Resort. We came to know of 20 or 30 such cases where therapists were asked to cancel their events in those centers as they allowed Rajneesh to meet them in his events.
This whole sannyas experience to me looks like one big blackmail business and threatening organization and enemies everywhere.
Therapists are against Swami Rajneesh as he has been offering everything for Free and has also announced that all Osho Therapies will be offered Free.
Rajneesh has received hundreds of life threats and warnings from so many that this has made Rajneesh more determined to offer Osho Free.
You cannot imagine how many things i have learnt about the sannyasins.
I am sure that even in Washington there is not so much politics and power games !
So the real truth is that Osho World of Neelam and Tathagat is against Rajneesh.
And OIF poona Resort Amrito is directly and totally against Swami Rajneesh.
Swami Amrito has made it his life mission to attack Rajneesh !
I know many more stories as i was close friend of Sookhi the korean girlfriend of Amrito, as i was also her korean friend.
I was threatened from very beginning in Poona Resort not to meet Rajneesh even before he started his meditation camps. When i met him i was immediately banned and all people who met Rajneesh were banned by the Resort.
If all the experiences i know were really written down then it will be clear that there is calculated attacks and propaganda to try to spoil Rajneesh reputation and to make sure people are warned against him.
Thanks Mr Kang.
Interesting that Rajneesh is popular in a number of Indian centres, and also with Swami Arun… As I understood it in 2009 Keerti was not so against Rajneesh, and had said some positive things said.
Basically all these people, whether they were/are inside, or pushed out of OIF were attracted to their roles because they have unconsidered and unconscious control agendas.
The very best of western psychotherapy does address such issues, but clearly they (like Amrito boasting sometimes of having only done three psychotherapy groups, ), “miss” such avenues of self exploration in a big way. But [psychotherapy is not the only ay to address such issues, many a hermit got further.
Actually a little advaita always helps in these circumstances also, just “Let it Be” . Whatever the power pushers may do, the main thing is to “know yourself” and that is the irreducible priority. If one gets a little help along the way, from this teacher or that, or this circumstance or that, then that should be one’s total focus.
Yes Parmartha i can understand what you mean. I was just explaining what i know from my years of travels with Swami Rajneesh. Yes Swami Keerti is a wonderful human being and we all love him and know that he is sincere sannyasin and that he also loves Rajneesh and both are close friends. My long comment was just to explain how politics and propaganda plays so much in what people say in public. Swami Rajneesh has always said to me that Keerti is warm hearted and sincere but is stuck between his official role for Osho World and Neelam Tathagat Nisarga politics.
And Yes i am a ” beautiful ” korean girl !!
yes,mini is beautiful.
so I am not surprised that korean or other asian girlfriends seem to be the latest must-have item on the shopping list of all modern gurus,religious leaders etc..
much better than a Rolls-Royce or a rolex,for sure!
also,coming from korea,you must know how easy it is to blame other people who look just like you for everything that is bad in your world.
its very convenient…..
they could be north koreans,or therapriests,political sannyasins,power-gamers,slanderers,people acting disgracefully,and disrespectfully to osho or our sense of self etc.
well,i would say if you want to have some good old sectarian strife or a jolly good jihad with other factions of sannyas,then at least have the realisation of the fact that battling with sworn enemies is a great way to feel good about yourself.
part of the excitement of being a rebel is enjoying fighting those that are wrong,so don’t forget to be grateful to them for the fact that they are giving you the opportunity to be right! and also righteously angry,indignant and judgmental and still feel good about yourself!
they are doing you a favour!
remember,love/war…its all just part of the cosmic drama
and a drama without a bad guy is really no story at all.
watch out tho`:
Freddie N said:
“battle not with monsters,lest you become a monster.and if you gaze into the abyss,the abyss gazes also into you”
that reminds me..i was looking at that vid of Rajneesh doing taichi that DR posted,when I had a massive realisation…
everything fell into place and I suddenly got it!
with a `tache,he`s an absolute dead-ringer for Freddie mercury!
look,he could use his talent for impressions to greater effect.
think how many people he could reach as a queen tribute act.
with DR as brian may on guitar….
“we will,we will rock you..”
they could do all the classics
“we are the champions..”
“its a kind of magic…”
“the o-show must go on..”
and of course
“sheer heart attack”………..
osho international foundation and osho world are doing rajneesh a favour by doing all they can to prevent him doing osho’s work?
you know frank it seems you couldnt care less about osho
just another clever guy who thinks its cool to trash osho and his people
people come to sannyas news looking for osho’s people – what do they find? you frank – do you think you are helping osho’s movement of sannyas ?
bloody `ell..
it`s the Clone Ranger…
fighting for tonto`s vision..
hi-ho and silver away..!
Frank surely you must realize that ‘tonto’ is Spanish for stupid.
Your second last comment was most enjoyable and I appreciate you rounding it off with Freddy quotes. Never too big on Queen myself but Mr Mercury had a great voice. Brian will have to diet a bit before he hits centre stage, but yes the resemblance is remarkable.
stupid eh?
well I never….
I could never stand queen either.
my girlfriend when I was teen had a crush on Freddie m, so I`ve hated them since then.
that`s how enlightened I am!
hahahahaha
(to coin a phrase)
‘You cannot imagine how many things i have learnt about the sannyasins.’ You underestimate the readership here on SN by saying that.
Trying to prove what a popular guy Mr Rajneesh is seems a bit weird to me. George W Bush was loved by millions and he was a monster. We’ve had Dhyanraj blowing Mr Rajneesh’s trumpet for a week here on SN and all he has succeeded in doing is making himself look like a sad clown.
“It looks like sannyasins are really very jealous or bitter about themselves.”
may be you already heard these osho’s words were spoken in the end of 80′s:
I have been asked again and again why i declare people enlightened only when they die. This is simply to keep a peace in a commune. If i will declare somebody to be enlightened you will kill him. You will not be able to tolerate that this man has become enlightened. You will find a thousands faults in him, you will condemn him, and you will be very jealous (c) osho
He declared a japanese zen woman enlightened in front of me and covered her with rose petals…..we all sang and celebrated like crazy that night…great fun..
sometime in 1989 i reckon..
It also depends what you or Osho or anyone means by the description “enlightened”.
For myself, whatever depths/heights Swami R may have reached (or allowed to reach him), I remain deeply unimpressed by his ‘clone’-like appearance and behaviour and by his appallingly insensitive statement at Miasto, Italy, concerning Ma Yoga Sudha, after her premature death.
I’m also sceptical regarding his attitude towards the wide range of therapeutic methods offered in the sannyas world and I wouldn’t trust him to know what’s best for most western ‘seekers’.
In short, I’ve seen and heard enough to know that I’m simply not in the slightest interested in seeking him out, in fact I feel repulsed by rather than attracted to him.
Now, you Rajneesh supporters, don’t try to tell me I’m ‘misguided, ‘wrong’, deluded’, ‘missing’, ‘projecting’, or any similar bullshione (that was a typo, but I rather like it, it has a sort of Italiano feel!), please.
Accept (what seems a self-evident fact of life) that not everything suits everybody, that every spiritual teacher has their own ‘field’, their own particular segment of humanity, large or small, that they can help (or attempt to help). As I’ve said before, ‘One Size’ most definitely doesn’t ‘Fit All’ in these matters. And Swami R and I are a bad fit.
clone clone clone clone clone – how long are you going to repeat the same old rubbish satyadeva?
whatever rajneesh looks like why does it hurt you?
and poor you so hurt by rajneesh’s comments about a ma who had died and couldnt be hurt by them – those comments were for the therapriests of miasto who were attacking rajneesh at the time as he had dared to hold a meditaton camp in an area near their miasto – sending sms to sannyasins that dont meet rajneesh or else !!!
you dont trust him and are repulsed by him – very good !! we dont want you anyway in our growing buddhafield – why do you imagine someone is after you ?
i comment here not to persuade satyadeva to join our group – but to expose the truth and counter the lies about rajneesh for those sannyasins who read these pages of sannyas news
Dhyan Raj:
clone clone clone clone clone – how long are you going to repeat the same old rubbish satyadeva?
whatever rajneesh looks like why does it hurt you?
SD:
If you haven’t understood by now, Dhyan Raj then I doubt you ever will. I’m sure that Swami R’s copycat mode is and will be a major issue for vast numbers who know Osho. That’s why he’s often called “Brian” here (do you get the joke?).
PS: Quite amusing how this aspect of the debate seems to ‘get up your nose’! Clone, clone, clone, clone, clone!
Atmo:
and poor you so hurt by rajneesh’s comments about a ma who had died and couldnt be hurt by them – those comments were for the therapriests of miasto who were attacking rajneesh at the time as he had dared to hold a meditaton camp in an area near their miasto
SD:
Ma Yoga Sudha was much-loved, hugely valued at Miasto, where she worked extremely successfully for many years, helping and inspiring people with her skills and her very being (as she had helped me, before and during the early days of sannyas, in London) She was therefore not just some “ma who had died”, some anonymous woman, she was someone greatly missed by the community.
So for Rajneesh to come and put her down, to insult her shortly after she’d prematurely died, to use her death in order to get at his enemies was utterly crass, profoundly wretched, unworthy of a self-proclaimed ‘God man’ – in my (and many others’) view. The more so as he clearly appeared to be enjoying himself up there on the stage.
You appear to disagree. If so, then you too are being as much of a wretchedly insensitive little shit as Swami R on that occasion.
Do you understand now?
SD says>
“that’s why people call him brian here(do you get the joke?)”
no,i don`t. that one has completely escaped me.
could you explain please?
the old irreversible braincell damage seems to be playing up this morning….must be all those years of wacky-baccy and all that slow wa*king meditation…
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Hey , Satyadevs,
Wasss a hapenin bro? Longa time no-a speaka.
Aya, rememba da good a times? But what’s all de probsi here… I see yo a gettin all da negativo energetico comin a too ya, ..wass a dissa ranjoosh. you speak abouta ? Last time I know you talk about womans with big choo choos…you like her a so mucha you sayyu ‘amma put ‘a’ after yoo name..like big ladyboy….. Ees funny no ?
Maybe yoo right… methink Parmarth do same he big ladyboy too. Maybe if I like Osh too much I also put in my name but then it sound Irish.. P.O’Martyn….maybe irish guru not so good a ?…
Ey, if you have a da probs, just call a me and wee fix all yoo like with dis rajnoosh, give him ol italian osho joke treatmenta… you rememba.. joke about italian man visitin america, telephone his wife to tell he visit river and spell it for her cos she hear bad on phone….
‘first em I in da asS, then in da asS again then.. I have asS one more time, then i like-a Pee, Pee come twice.. then finish with one in the I..
Hey Satyadevs, rememba if you gets the trubs with these Ranjeesh boys , you call a quick, me come fast to help yoo .. so no rubbishh with ranjeesh ….capissh, eh ?
Lots a lovea
Premtin Quarantino
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ohh maybe i make a de trubbs for everyone here.. .. yes make big mistayka…. Big P fair hand with everyone, maybe I offend … Offend ladyboy readers of SN… its big prob now in new sannyas, no offend or maybe you have more probs….and who knows maybe Thai ladyboys big readers of online SN in Camden library community resource centre……but hey me no a pc me use a laptop….so no a probs…
sorry no speaka engleesh…
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hey just big pps.. for anyone who no likea too much I in da joke,….
no worry .. yu is da joke…
okdokey… me go now …ladyboy appointment…
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“Know thyself”, told the wise man to his disciples.
“And then?”, enquired a disciple.
“Then help other people to know thyself”, answered the master.
Few are really doing it.
Shantam declares, ‘Few are really doing it.’ How on earth would he know that? Just because people don’t make a big noise about themselves it does not mean that they do not know themself. In fact, a wise man told me that normally enlightened people lead quiet lives and go about their business with the minimum of fuss. Something dear Shantam has obviously missed. If Arun and Rajneesh are enlightened I’m Fu-Man-Choo and I don’t even have a long drooping moustache.
oh lokesh – you are fu man chu ? and you cut your moustache?
i see according to you osho had the wrong idea – rather than speak and work to transform people he should have never come out of hs room and made a fuss – as you say that is proof osho was not an enlightened man
if he had led a quiet life as enlightened people should do you say then this forum would have never existed and we would not have had to put up with your uninformed punditry –
ha ha ha ha – you couldnt even be bothered to see what rajneesh had to say in his video – who needs to be informed – its easier to be misinformed when you wish to condemn others isnt it ?
‘its easier to be misinformed when you wish to condemn others isnt it ?’ Yes it is and it encapsulates your limited mind set perfectly.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=516882451689466&set=t.100000888595870&type=3&theater
Satyam Dhyanraj and Mini Kang in one photo.
It is always good to know, how people look before one drafts the answer.
Shantam:
The gentleman in the photo says it is Sw Atmo, not Dhyanraj?
I see I made a mistake in thinking that Mini Kang was a man… apologies.
ha ha ha – its me parmartha – grown older of course – it was part of atmos photo album
Parmartha I always thought that you were a decent spiritual umpire, but … you’ll let anyone with a beard play as long as they bear an uncanny resemblance to your indomitable guru seen here..
(new balls please )
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Ranji_1897_page_171_W._G._Grace_playing_forward_defensively.jpg/220px-Ranji_1897_page_171_W._G._Grace_playing_forward_defensively.jpg
P.S–That’s obviously meant to read W.G DisGrace.
( I must be gettin old , as I just missed that one ..)
Rest in non judgement, Prem Martyn. Even those who did you wrong. Of the latter I realise there were a number in the past, but you’re over that now I would think, and is it not time to journey on without the burden of those from the past who hurt you ?
Is that a cricketer’s googlie ?
I just pass the time here, and as for journeying on.. i can’t get much further than the Alps and still get an internet signal to bother everyone with. Comedy is not about singing praises, its about having a target.
Less of the therapeee and interpreted intermediated religious purpose and more of the raw life as she is. I’m having more fun these days than ever when I thought I had to wear my heart on my sleeve a la sannyas.
And that way I hope you may rest abroad.
I certainly do.
i see from your comment that you are just passing time here martyn – and your aim is simply to be comic and clever and bother others
this is a forum for sannyasins and parmartha has raised a serious topic for discussion – a topic you dont discuss – no wonder there are so few commentators here – seeing the drivel that passes for sannyasin discussion most just run off – that why bother talking to these people
by commenting here you are a representative of osho’s sannyasins – now people think that osho sannyasins are only clevermemind and have no sincere interest in the search for truth at all
This comment is perfect in the sense that it shows so well how up himself poor Dhyanraj is. This from a man who talks as if he knows something about human growth potential. Shrunken heads more like.
‘Parmartha has raised a serious topic for discussion’ I think what is serious is his attitude and that is about the extent of it. I don’t see him as someone who is open to any form of coherant discussion. All he is doing around here is using this forum to broadcast a corny mind-set and bathe in self justification. Come the day he wakes up to how stuck in his head he is thunder will roll in the heavens and Gabrial will blow his horn. It won’t come a day too soon.
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Recently taken photo of a white robe gathering, anyone recognise that bloke with the beard ?
Forget about enlightenment kind of stuff Lokesh. First try to grasp the distinction between satires and statements!
“Uncle, do you have Truth ointment. I have read at facebook, it is very effective?”
Pharmacist brings one tube from his cool room.
The young customer; before he asks the price enquires, ” Does this have some side effects too?”
Shantam, if there is one thing you teach perfectly by example it is that you show how a patronizing twat looks.
ha ha ha – good one lokesh – how witty you are when you are exposed as ignorant of what you presume to judge
Golly!
Dhyanraj and his Rajneesh; where is the press, where are the Tv and print journalists?
Why there are no football stadiums full with people to get the free for all; Osho meditation and “you touch me here and I touch you there” kind of expansive therapies not even at the price of one pound fish!
few things really repulse, even if they are good!
I am currently receiving freephone advice from the NHS new 111 service for emergency traumas.
So I phoned them up and I said ..Look it’s like this,
I once knew someone who may have hurt my feelings, and I’d like a second opinion about journeying on ..and the funny thing was, that a male voice replied to me, and I thought I could distinctly hear the muffled sound of a crowd in the background shouting ‘owzat’..which made me ask again if this was indeed the 111 new emergency helpline..there was this pause, and then the voice replied ..’Of course yes’, and, ‘had I thought of getting Over things’ . Well of course I had , but I told him I was feeling quite Stumped at the moment because all the memories seemed to be hitting me Square on….
At that point there was some clapping , and a distinct sound of the pouring of tea ….
‘Hello’ I said, look, I don’t want to sound desperate, I said , but if I could get Over it , I would have but these Wicked feelings just won’t go away. The helpful male voice replied that he completely understood that this was indeed an emergency but that he wasn’t placing any bets on the result of me scoring well enough for the advice I needed. But then he asked if I could Stand it any longer ? Or was that a long shot in the current run of things ?
It was then that I realised how foolish I had been, and decided to give my old feelings the Slip. There was no point playing silly or muddling on. It was time to find the room for changing, in myself, and open up a whole new field of opportunities.
‘Why, thank you so much , for your kind and sageful advice I said, to which he replied that it was nothing, not to mention it, that he was happy to be providing a public service, without the usual Flannel or flimsy advice for someone like me, who just happened to have been on the losing side for far too long, in the last century.
I guess with my name though these things can hurt Deeply, however well Covered.
All the best,
Jock S. Trapp (Swami)
Well, if things get a bit boring around here all that’s needed is to stir the Mr Rajneesh pot and things liven up. I honestly don’t know that much about him but his followers certainly seem to be a mixed bag, ranging from what sounds like sincere seekers to raving fantatics like Dhyanraj.
Sannyas began to be hijacked by loonies on the ranch and it seems, to a certain extent, to be continuing in that vein in some sectors of the global sannyasin community.
Today I see sannyas for what it was…a device. I suspect that device is fasr becoming obsolete as the old boy is not around to keep a cosmic eye on things like he once did. Even while alive I think there was a point where Osho tired of his creation and lost interest for a while and hence things went pretty haywire for a time. His interest returned and he picked up the pieces in Poona Two. Now he is gone the hijackers have returned in force, marching under banners like ‘doing Osho’s work’ ‘maintaining his heritage’ etc. What a circus!
If there is a problem within the sannyas movement today it is this. The people who got the essence of what Osho was about are religious. The ones who missed want to build a religion based around an image of Osho.(impossible to do when he was alive but now the cats away the mice are running riot) Those two camps will never see eye to eye. When I see Mr Rajneesh getting all excited about how many ashrams he wants to build I immediately know that he is doing his own work and not Osho’s. Who needs another ashram when you already live in the greatest temple ever created? Rajneesh looks to me like an ambitious man with ambitious plans. I seem to recall Osho telling me that ambition was the way of the ego. So how does that tie in with Rajneesh doing Osho’s work?
ah lokesh – did you finally watch the video then and inform yourself?
i dont see any religion being created around rajneesh – yes – religiousness not religion –
rajneesh wants to create ashrams to share osho – why do you think this is ego ? – just because you dont want to share osho it doesnt mean that no one else should –
your own love affair with osho ended 32 years ago – the device as you call it of sannyas certainly will be obsolete and die if left in your hands – but rajneesh is not you is he? – he has a connection with osho today not a fading memory of 32 years ago and will do his masters work
and lokesh you say “Who needs another ashram when you already live in the greatest temple ever created?”
rajneesh needs no ashram – but sannyasins do need ashrams – where the meditative energy of all there can create the buddhafield of energy which carries all present up and is invaluable for transformation
you experienced the buddha field energy when you were young in osho’s ashram – we wish to create again such spaces which are so helpful for the people who participate to grow
Dhyanraj says, ‘we wish to create again such spaces which are so helpful for the people who participate to grow.’
Be my guest. Thing is, Dhyanraj, you are not delivering a very good image of someone who is growing. You come across as very narrow-minded, serious and generally uptight and outtasight. You are not even talking the talk let alone walking the walk, be it a silly walk or otherwise. Your idea of growth is superficial, scratch the surface and you explode and fire of another volley of banal self-justification. As if to say you have it all worked out when you have hardly begun the process. No need for anyone round here to give you directions, because you are obviously lost, sooner or later life will get around to you and show you the way.
I’m always amazed how the ego gives the feeling of importance and disappropriate size in relation to the universe. We do better to see that we are in reality very small, and so very vulnerable in the face of it all. There is a beauty to that also and with it comes humility, a quality that I see totally lacking in everything you write. Ah well, we all know what happened to Humpty Dumpty.
Rajneesh vision of of many small Osho communes around the world that offer Osho Free. If that is ambition then you are blind, as we see it as his love and dedication to sharing Osho and not Selling Osho.
Poona Resort has just become one business making machine with no other aim but to suck blood and live like parasites.
Swami Rajneesh feels that offering Osho Free is the new way now and these free communes will receive donations that they deserve.
He says first share with open heart and then see the miracle of love.
This act of sharing without any demand creates the right climate for the inner experience to flower. We also see his view as what is needed now in this new age, as all therapists and group leaders are only using Osho message for their own business and charging thousands from newcomers who are turned off by this business business business vibe.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/at-last-soren-kierkegaard–the-musical-8604097.html
One day guys, one day, we will put ours down for production .. and tour the musical….our very own tribute….to everything…we ever said or did,..ever.
Sannyas News…. The Musical….
I found some interesting messages of Swami Rajneesh from Save Osho Samadhi Facebook page about his views on free Osho Therapies and Groups as being the new way : First read then comment with some reason that makes sense instead of just the same boring repetitive attacks against him :
instead of saying people will not value meditations offered free – i would look at stating that we should first value the seeker !!! and trust that his heart will feel love and gratitude and offer whatever is his means – love or donation or even physical participation and spreading this message – everyone is priceless – and just mere money does not prove that they value the meditation !!! that is sheer humbug !!!
OSHO therapists who teach and speak about trust – first should also learn to trust the love and gratitude of seekers – let OSHO therapists earn out of their donations offered – that would prove that they are truly offering a priceless treasure !!!
speaking about abundance and then asking for 4000 US$ from seekers for mystic rose experience !!! pure humbug and sheer hypocrites !!! abundance flowers from the heart of one who has experienced the blessing of love and of our beloved master OSHO
offer OSHO therapies out of your heart and share from the inner source of compassion and see the miracle !! money cannot be the real reason for OSHO offerings – that is sheer exploitation and greed and ugly domination – reducing the seeker into a commodity for exploitation
the deepest experiments and core meditations are kundalini dynamic nadabhrama and all such meditations which are free – so people do not value them ?? mystic rose was free in commune – now why 4000 US$ ?? those comments were in the 80′s and the world has moved far ahead into a new age – and offering free will spread the message and thousands donate out of their experience and gratitude –
mystic rose is a delicate and deep experiment – how many young 18 – 20 – 25 have 4000 US$ for this experience ?? that too plus air tickets travel food and stay in poona costs a total of at least 6000 US$ for 21 days !!! is that the way to steal money from young OSHO lovers ?? and then what do they do with that money ?? use for personal swiss bank accounts ??
my dream is to make OSHO available for all FREE and spread the fire of his love FREE for all those who are thirsty !! the time has come – the new millennium of the new age for the new man and new woman – to offer our beloved masters vision – spread the fire before it is too late !!
i am just a dissolved devotee – this sacred temple is the dream of our beloved master OSHO for millions of sannyasins – his vast vision and pure compassion offers a humanity a new horizon – just to absorb and imbibe OSHO is enough !! all sannyasins need is freedom of expression of their love and gratitude without fear or banning – to create festivals of dance creativity and celebration of our master OSHO – to spread OSHO message freely without any trademarks or copyrights – and all will come together naturally gracefully – simply open the temple – the fire is there – let it burn and ignite every human heart that is seeking OSHO
Lokesh, Well said. Jesus is gone and now his apostles are on the job to create a religion around him. But the contrast is Osho is not crucified so there is neither a wave of sympathy nor there are feudal lords who can convert their whole kingdoms into Osho-ism. Over and above these apostles fight among themselves. No wonder, In the last two decades, they couldn’t even make a dent of converting or even influencing people to Osho. Its still the old boy (as you say) who influences people either thru his audio video talks available on the free/paid electronic media or his books.
At least, if these so called enlightened copy cats like Rajaneesh can create an ashram or two, new people can go and try and taste some active meditation techniques created by osho (or created by few genuine people after his death). I surely wish him success in that effort for sure.
Osho is not just for the enlightenment and the seekers , he seems to have equally loved non-seekers as well. He is all for making this very earth a heaven. I would be surprised to know if all the apostles put together ever did anything towards social cause.
Gone, gone are those times of living with living master.. he knows that priests will come and take over when he is gone. He has that’s why opened a new door to the new man to be his own master with no middle man in between.
Yes, Newman, I pretty much agree with what you say. My wife was just saying last night that if there was a new bright star on the satsang scene she would probaly go visit him/her for a bit of refreshment. Currently there are not so many of those types of illuminated people around, although there are quite a few, what I would describe as, enlightened folks around…in the hood even. I’m sure that Rajneesh does good work in regards introducing people to Osho’s meditations etc. For me he simply appears as unattractive.
As for turning this world into heaven, I see that as a very subjective thing. Heaven is already here if you have the eyes to see it. People’s ideas about what represents heaven are as diverse as the wild flowers in a field on Ibiza in springtime.
I seem to recall Osho telling me that ambition was the way of the ego…..
Lokesh Ji
And from that day onwards Ambition is eradicated like Malaria!
Now when one looks in hindsight, Was Osho not an ambitious type?
At least we are trying to be ruthlessly honest on this site, do Lokesh consider himself non ambitious?
Is the tree with million branches is more ambitious than the small grass blade?
One of the reason majority of the humanity avoids spiritual kind of people is their double standard way of life and contempt for the basic human traits.
I think it is a fundamental right of those who want to play guru; only question should be, are they willing to pass through the stringent quality controls or they want to sell their Buddhahood like the boy in the movie slum dog Millionaire, filling tap water in the bottle of Bisleri!
Just heard the announcement on the Indian Railway Platform, ” Please crush the water bottles after use to avoid the misuse.”
Shantam asks, ‘do Lokesh consider himself non ambitious?’ I would not go so far as to say I am non-ambitious, but what ambitions I have are fairly fundamental…to be financially independent, a reasonably good artist, a great DJ, a good vibes person etc. I certainly would not consider building ten ashrams like Brian…too lazy I guess.
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Diary….Somewhere in Switzerland…
Monday… Erm.. yawn stretch…dreamt about a large cricket bat, on a swivel chair, which had an evergrowing beard on it….someone kept laughing out loud and then shouting ‘ow is zat’ in a german accent and handing me a box of tissues….with property of ‘Camden Council Survivors of Abusive Gardening Centre’ … the dreams so real and then wake up..
aaaaaaaarghhhhhhhh
… Tum Tee Tum Tee Tum… Yawn, Wakey wakey rise and shine… Greet the day…
Mountains Mountains Mountains…. oh well here goes…Hummm, Osho… Hummmm…..well yep they’re mountains still, but not just mountains now but but but peaks of pristine thingamijiggy doo dahh… still too early to think straight…
coffeee, yawnnnn …….. I know will try that new glosallia technique… jiber jabber joo.. ah yes…testing testing 1, 2, 3
mmmmmm…. shha sha shaaaaa …ppppp uuuuuu
here goes… shudup yu face …. shudaappa lalala dubiwuwah wu shudappuface…. mmm thats even better ..wow , must have been a gnostic christian in a past life.. definitely….
tum tee tum tee tum.. girlfriend snoring in bed.. I know I will do some glossalia in her earhole….oops thats not her earhole , never mind… lalalal shudauapp uface……
shudapmngfhrmmff….
erm interesting tantric glossalia…must be stage two of the glossalia not in the book…..
but hey enough of this … first things first…
Coffee, Fresh Air, Mountain Walk, Hoover, Dishes , forget last two….and note to self….must suggest Sannyas-serious only blogger forum, to big P… maybe I could be the editor.
that may not be cricket though eh ??
ahh shudapukaka a shadupukaka…………